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CJ9
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« on: August 06, 2008, 05:31:38 PM »

Would some one explain what is more hardcore than vegan? I thought that was as hardcore as you can get, eliminating all but vegetables? I'm not "hardcore" by any means. I have eliminated meat because my body has begun to tell me it is not for me.Maybe it has been telling me a long time, and now I'm listening. I have started to get rid of dairy and coffee(that's the only place I have dairy left) and eat a live diet. I do eat honey(sorry vegans), because it is very nutritous, as well as medicinal.  OK, someone fill me in Huh
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« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2008, 05:52:28 PM »

 Wink

Just a little inside joke on the hardcore thing... 

A raw food or living food diet is one step more hard core than vegan.  It is a vegan diet, but doesn't include anything that has been cooked.  Baked potato?  Off the menu!

Hope that is the answer you were looking for...
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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2008, 07:39:29 PM »

Thanks for explaining. In that case, I'm more hardcore than I thought Cheesy     By the way, can you eat raw potatoes? Are they healthy?  They taste so starchy. I would love to serve raw sweet potatoes to my child, and also, we have russet  potatoes growing in our garden and I would really like some one  to help me with raw recipes with those if possible. Thanks Wink
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« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2008, 10:29:43 PM »

Yeah, you can eat 'em.  I'd use a little salt and pepper though!
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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2008, 08:20:29 AM »

Raw vegan is more hard core than vegan. Cooked food can really drag people down and dull their boyd/mind/spirit.

CJ9 asked me to post some raw foods recipes. Here's a start:

http://www.welikeitraw.com/rawfood/raw-food-recipes.html
http://www.living-foods.com/recipes/

One of my favorites, an easy protein shake: Soak almonds, sunflower seeds, sesame seeds and or cashews overnight.  Rinse in morning.  Blend with water, organic berries, agave and any combination of cinnamon, nutmeg, ginger, coriander and cayenne to taste. Can add soaked flaxeed or organic flaxseed or coconut oil for optimal nutrition. Yummm!!!!!

Will try to get my recipes for raw cereals posted here soon. These are a super energy foods.

Love, Richard
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« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2008, 10:51:39 AM »

Thanks again, RT. I went to the first link for the pumpkin pudding, and it took me to goneraw.com. YUM! The 2nd link also has really good  raw recipes. Hardcore isn't such a bad thing Grin
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« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2008, 04:38:50 PM »

Regarding eating raw pototes - many have discredited the raw vegan diet because of its lack of raw carbohydrate foods.  However . . . . . . . . . . .

We make a terrific raw sweet potato soup.  Soak 1 cup sesame seeds overnight.  Blend with water, adding more as necessary, and two or three medium sized raw sweet pototoes until it reaches a smooth and creamy consistency. Sweeten a bit with agave and add any combination of celtic or himalayan sea salt, cinnamon, nutmeg, ginger and or coriander to taste.
Can also use an Indian spice called "garam marsala" in place of above spices.

Also, try our raw cereals.  Soak 1 cup of raw unhulled organic oat groats overnight. Rinse and soak separtely  1 or 2 tablespoons organic red or golden flaxseed overnight. Rinse groats and place in blender with flaxseed. Continue adding as much water as necessary to acheive a smooth and creamy consistency. Add agave to sweeten and any combination of cinnamon, ginger, nutmeg, coriander and/or cayenne to taste. YUMMMMMM . . . . . . . . Lots of energy!

The same cereal can be made with wheat, buckwheat (my favorite) or any grain sprout. Simply sprout grains for 2  or more days until a little tail appears on the seeds. Follow above recipe.  I even make the buckwheat cereal "Italian style" with tomatoes, parlsey, basil, oregano, sea salt and olive oil.  Or Indian style with curry and cumin. Those are actually my favorites.

Most raw organic squashes and tubers are great when they are grated in salads.  I never liked raw white potato, however.  It can be juiced with carrot according to Dr. Norman Walker: Raw Vegetable Juices.

I hope this is helpful. Stay tuned for more!!!!!!

Richard Tasca

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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2008, 12:43:48 AM »

Check out our BLOGSPOT for lots of great information and links about the raw foods.

Richard Cheesy
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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2008, 07:38:29 PM »

This is for moms that have mentioned how to give certain foods to their children. The following is tested and the results are now age 36 and age 40!

What we like in food is more learned than natural. If you say that you don't like something, or you act like you don't like it, they pick up on that attitude. If you give them a little of something, especially if they see you eating it too they will learn to like it. So don't think that just because you don't care much for the taste of something, that they will not. Your taste for things is learned just like theirs will be. I have a friend who, if he shows you his garden, is likely to dig a potato, wash it in the hose, ask you if you want one, and eat it like an apple. He told me he did that from childhood. He learned it from his dad.

When my oldest was a baby I thought yogurt was good for you, even though I also thought it was awful. I never allowed my children to eat sugar except on VERY rare and special occasions so I didn't get the sweetened stuff. I got plain yogurt and fed it to her when she was still in a high chair. She likes plain yogurt to this day. I learned to like it too, though I don't eat it any more. I just started taking a few bites (after all she needed to see me eat it too).

The "rule" in our house was that everyone had to eat a tiny amount of everything on the table. It was never a big deal. We didn't insist they eat a whole serving if they didn't want to (eating should be pleasant), but they had to eat some. Kids that eat a little several times usually develop a "taste" for it. Also, if you don't want them to feel like they need salt on it, then don't use salt. Later if they want salt, they can add it. But however you start them will be how they think it has to be done.

One of the most important benefits a parent can give her child is a healthy start with healthy food. I can tell that you are doing exactly that! I hope this will help someone.
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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2008, 02:38:57 PM »

Arial, Thanks for the post. I have potatoes in the garden, and that sounds like a good thing to do with my child when they are ready. I was trying to figure out how to consume them raw. I plan to juice some with carrots, also. A friend gave me that tip.
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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2008, 07:27:33 AM »

Some purists here may not agree with me, and I do think probably everything is best eaten raw, but I don't think we have to eat everything raw. I didn't mean to give that impression. I don't eat potatoes raw (even though my friend does). I just wanted to pass on the principle that seems to have worked with my kids. If I had given them raw potatoes as toddlers, I am sure they would probably eat them today. And I could have. Just didn't think about it. Also did not understand the benefits of eating raw back then. Today I eat almost everything raw--some days completely raw. However, I will add that my son is almost 100% raw fruits, nuts, veggies, grains today and my daughter would be except for her husband--but she works at it anyway. When I moved on to raw, and they saw me get well, they easily picked up on it.
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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2008, 11:58:43 AM »

Hey all... I was wondering, I have an 18m old baby girl and she eats a vegan diet with us, but I am looking into a more raw diet for the three of us.  She has some molars but it's hard for her to chew tough things, like carrots, sometimes celery, ya' know most of the raw veggies, and lettuce doesn't work well yet since she can't really chew it with her front teeth. 

So I know she is close to being able to eat like that but what do you do for a little baby.  They can't chew anything so it all has to be pureed so do you just puree raw food?  I am just curious to hear from anyone who has fed their baby a raw diet while nursing obviously. 
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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2008, 10:59:06 PM »

Good for you! Starting your little girl off right!

Here is something that I do myself that might be helpful. It is a take-off on Ann Wigmore's "soup" idea. You make it in the blender. I will tell you what I do but I think you can develop it for your baby girl.

I make rejuvelak (another subject altogether) and I use the rejuvelak as a base if I have it on hand. Or you can use water. Rejuvelak provides B vitamins, enzymes and other good things, in case you're interested, but you have to make it a couple days ahead. Water will work just fine. I also sometimes make almond milk and use that as a base. Adds protein and other nutrients.

I add frozen banana for sweetness. In my area I can often buy over ripe bananas for 19 cents a pound. I peel, bag and freeze them for smoothies and "soups."

If I have leftover salad, I will dump that in and blend it. Or I put greens in. I use endive, leaf (not head) lettuce, cucumber, anything I might put in salad. It really is, in effect, a blended salad.

I use a LOT of sprouts. This site has a huge variety of sprouting seeds and I use them all. I change constantly in order to vary the nutrients. It can be bean sprouts, alfalfa sprouts, other seed sprouts. I add avocado (makes it good plus smooth). I pick up seaweed at the health food store and add some of that.

You can add whatever you use for salad dressing. I think oil might slow digestion for some people so I use little oil. I add balsamic vinegar or lemon juice, or home-made good-for-you salad dressings, seasonings. Can be basil, cayenne, salt. Taste as you go and make adjustments. You will learn. This "soup" is absolutely stuffed with nutrition and would be very good for your little girl. But good for you too and she will like it better if she sees you eating the same thing. I hope that mothers here will realize the effect that the likes and dislikes they express forever affect their children. Just because it is "different" from what you like does not mean your child will not like it. Our likes are mostly developed. So develop good ones in your babies and they will more likely grow up healthy. Don't saddle them with your dislikes!

You can eat it with a spoon or "drink" it like a smoothie but you definitely need to chew it.
You can develop this much further, once you get the idea.
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